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1 Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:25 am

I beat sigma so now onto NG2. I used to 2's gameplay, I've played it more than I can remember, sigma baffles me but I'm familiar with 2. Doing warrior, might try mentor after. Wearing the type 20 camo spandex, now I'm a tactical ninja too.

EDIT 1:
Beat chapter 1, getting used to it, adjusting from sigma I'm rusty but I'm understanding ng combos more now. I always get confused and hold a direction but that causes certain moves to happen, sort of a habit from dmc and bayo I guess; you really need to know what move to use and when against who.
I'm doing much better now, ng combos are pretty simple actually it's the hold/tilt forward to use certain moves/combos that gets me, no other game seems to do it quite like NG.

EDIT 2:
I'm watching Bi..Dick benedicts 3rd ng2 guide. I watched his NGblack and Sigma guides when I first played sigma to compare the two. I'm learning some tips like use certain moves for iframes in a pinch especially against IS ninja. So use guillotine throw for iframes and quick escapes from groups, and easy dismembers. 
NG many moves seem to have i.frames in them so I need to find what moves have those. NG is all about being pragmatic so I need to keep that ninja efficiency in my play style. I really love that the mechanics incentivise that,though I prefer a mix of style and efficiency as doing what works for pure practical function is not as fun to me; I think that's why I love vanquish and god hand so much; Mikami brand of action really hits that sweet spot of stylish but practical for me.

EDIT 3:
So I also have sigma 2 but haven't touched it, haven't looked at sigma 2 much but I know they made some odd and questionable choices beyond just no gore and less enemies at once.

EDIT 4:
Did chapter 3, Gigadeath is a weird boss, love their goofy mech fish face.



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2 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:56 am

On chapter 6 now. Love that track in the starting ghost fish area. I'm using the lvl3 tonfa, I haven't used it before it's odd weapon. It has a dash cancel which seems unique to it which I really like as an ability. I love being able to cancel my attacks it gives me more control and confidence since I can cancel them to safety and will give me more options. Is the tonfa a good choice? That dash cancel seems super useful but it's got short range like the claws which I also love. Scythe is also a big favourite.

Warrior mode isn't too hard, I might try mentor but i don't like the look of all the bullshit spamming IS ninjas and such, I'm not very good at ng so I think I'll find it more frustrating than fun. I don't like playing pure efficiency and perfection I like leeway to mess around and experiment.

Bosses are pretty easy which I find odd, I don't like their super fast attacks they so hard to dodge and predict and they spam them like alexei's grab.They all die so fast at least on warrior. Ninja gaiden bosses don't really have that dynamic that really clicks with me, I prefer a boss like azel or bogeys that have that dynamism and interactivity I love.

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3 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:54 am

Honestly you're judging a game in the wrong sense, most Ninja Gaiden games were built for the highest setting and then downgraded for lower settings so you're not getting the 'real' experience just yet. Bosses can be quite the experience on Master Ninja as they are insanely fast and have a lot going on. Elizebeth and Fiend Genshin are my favorite as they both ask the player to really think on his feet and keep in mind that not every punish will work the way they thought it would.

On the topic of IS ninjas, that is mostly Master Ninja. Mentor is filled with the Tactical Ninjas (those with guns). The tonfa is amazing though, easily among the best weapons. It's dash-cancel works wonders and its level 1 Ultimate Technique (UT) is the best in the game almost.

It's funny though, I'm talking to a few people recently about Ninja Gaiden and their experiences with it and all are starting with the broken games. Ninja Gaiden 2, 3 and Razor's Edge are all pretty broken. I'd honestly ask you if you can get it to play Black or the original first. The Alma fights in that alone show you just how wrong you can be about a boss in this series.

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4 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:51 am

How is ng2 broken? I've never looked into it but see and here stuff that say it's bullshit/broken. Could you break that down for me?

Is alma designed differently in sigma?

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5 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:49 am

I'm not really against ng. I'm not very good at it and I prefer and understand others(dmc,god hand,vanquish) more is all. I can never really get used to the combo inputs, the whole tilt forward for different moves confuses me and I often end up doing the wrong move. The whole gameplay I'm not too comfortable with so I can't enjoy it as much as others, which is to say I do still enjoy a lot :).
The bosses I like overall it has a good variety.
Also I'm not touching master ninja that's not fun to me, I don't care to get that good that's way too stressful haha. Ng has tons of shit going on at once I can barely deal with it already.

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6 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:50 pm

If you can, and have an XBOX, I highly recommend the original the most. It's pretty easy to get into and doesn't have all the 'bullshit' that came with later entries. It really is among the most fun games I've played in my life : )

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7 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:02 pm

@Royta, so are you still playing NG2 vanilla? Comments? Highlights?

OT: sorry, I still have to figure out how to tag properly...

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8 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:23 am

Don't worry, nobody knows how in God's name the tagging in this site setup works, you are not alone haha! I'll add it to my list of things to figure out.

I haven't played it a lot yet. Halfway through Chapter 3 again. Will probably finish my NGB Kitetsu run first.

I will add that it plays very much like God of War for me now. Very efficiency based, I pull no punches. No style, no combos, just go for the delimb and an UT finish for max essence. Very min-max playstyle. I saw another playthrough online of a style-player (Iconoclast) but he did note this was one of billion recordings.

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9 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:11 pm

Why do all those combos exist if it's impractical to use them most of the time? It's best to use UT, OT and spam the flying swallow type moves each weapon has.

I like using them for the sake of variety, but it takes more skill to use them more than UT, OT and spam flying swallow moves.

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10 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:02 pm

@Royta/Raeng wrote:Don't worry, nobody knows how in God's name the tagging in this site setup works, you are not alone haha! I'll add it to my list of things to figure out.

I haven't played it a lot yet. Halfway through Chapter 3 again. Will probably finish my NGB Kitetsu run first.

I will add that it plays very much like God of War for me now. Very efficiency based, I pull no punches. No style, no combos, just go for the delimb and an UT finish for max essence. Very min-max playstyle. I saw another playthrough online of a style-player (Iconoclast) but he did note this was one of billion recordings.
Imo it plays very differently from GoW aside from the focus on efficiency, because NG2 has more complex AI and a different type of combat and movement. Though if you play using ninpo and UT's you probably won't notice it that much. Especially if you played GoW doing PAIN runs, you should play NG2 doing no UT no ninpo runs like KazamaJin/Susamajii to make a fair comparison.

Though, for my taste, I think I prefere Sigma 2, which is still based on efficiency but has a different playstyle compared to NG2, more balance between attack and defence and less dependancy on certain attacks. But the beauty of NG2 vanilla is the incredible sense of accomplishment for overcoming such a brutal challenge.

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11 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:37 am

Gabe wrote:Why do all those combos exist if it's impractical to use them most of the time? It's best to use UT, OT and spam the flying swallow type moves each weapon has.

I like using them for the sake of variety, but it takes more skill to use them more than UT, OT and spam flying swallow moves.

It's there mostly for variety and bigger and badder players to show off. But a lot of moves are, imo, just filler. You can make the same argument for NGB and NG3:RE where only one or two moves really matter, the rest are just to show off.

Imo it plays very differently from GoW aside from the focus on efficiency, because NG2 has more complex AI and a different type of combat and movement. Though if you play using ninpo and UT's you probably won't notice it that much. Especially if you played GoW doing PAIN runs, you should play NG2 doing no UT no ninpo runs like KazamaJin/Susamajii to make a fair comparison.

I don't see it honestly, the AI is pretty braindead and predictable in my eyes. They run up to you, auto dodge if you attack them while they are not in an animation, they all have a few attack-patterns. I know you don't hold God of War in high esteem, but NG2 isn't a master class in AI by any means. A lot is really hard coded and predictable. It's more the combination of attacks that get me at times.

The downside for me for such a handicap run, which I might do in the future, is that it's still efficiency based. I don't see myself doing a style-run because it's impractical. If I do No UT No Ninpo I'll just abuse >Y with the Claws and laugh as the game melts before me. So far my style is >Y with Claws to delimb everyone, then kill them all with a manually charged UT for max Essence. Ninpo I haven't really used outside of maybe for lulz against Ratetsu. My opinion may change the more I play the game, but honestly I doubt it. If Sigma 2 didn't have those horrible Girl Chapters I'd probably play that.
And yes, there are videos like this:



But to quote Joe the Button (NG master): "You are only seeing one of a million failed attempts", as he is obviously editing the video and using excessive retries. It's a showcase of what is possible, but no player will ever play this perfectly consistently. Which I consider both a plus and a negative, the plus is that the game always challenges you, the negative is that no matter how good you are, you are never completely in control.

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12 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:25 pm

the AI is pretty braindead and predictable in my eyes
I mean, it may very well be that I just suck at the game so I think it's more special than it is XD
Maybe that's why I prefer Sigma.

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13 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:20 am

Maybe braindead wasn't the apt term, but very scripted is a better one. Ninja Gaiden is very good as a series to make you feel like the enemies are smart and dangerous by using certain methods. Like the constantly avoiding Crow Fiends in NGB to the circling for blood IS Ninjas in NG2. But once you look under the hood they are very strictly designed, and exploitable. They really operate under a "if A, then do B" style of play if you know what I mean.

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14 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:01 pm

They really operate under a "if A, then do B" style of play if you know what I mean
...I'm simply incompetent, trust me XD

Though, off topic, how much I love Sigma 2. I remember this game has never been much popular on the Archives, to the point I was convinced that it was trash (same for RE). Now it's becoming my favourite, because it's actually the only one that can be played in the style I would like to play a Ninja Gaiden game. I suspect that a lot of people just try to play it like NGII and then say the game is boring in comparison (same for RE). Though, everyone has his own preference, mine it's just specualtion.

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15 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:16 pm

Don't discredit yourself Wink

That aside, I've always held it as my firmest opinion that Sigma 2 is by far the better game, but not necessarily better. The style is drastically different, but as a game it can actually be played in a way that I feel becomes Ninja Gaiden. Ninja Gaiden 2 is a mess of a game, Sigma 2 actually feels finished. The Archives is a great place, but they are also very stern. They love NGB and NG2. Some really enjoy RE as well and actually consider it the best, but they are a vocal minority. 

I am not sure where you live, but if you can: try the online. It is still active and once you get a buddy that lives closeby (the netcode is attrocious) with your own skill level it is a joy to behold and still holds the two most well respected challenges in the series: Ultimate Ninja 01 and Ultimate Ninja 02.
To give you an idea. UN01 is you fighting Eli, Volf and Alexei at the same time in the second Alexei battle arena from the main game. Once two are killed, Zedonius joins in. UN02 isn't too hard until the final wave which consists of three Fiend Genshin's at once. Most were sadly exploited, but I am still proud to say I dodged two Fiend Genshins for nearly 2 minutes while my partner killed the third. The adrenaline was real.

Really glad you are enjoying it man!

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16 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:39 pm

Well I have many problems with the connection actually, that's the problem... I have like three arguments a year with the provider...

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17 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:05 pm

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The Archives is a great place, but they are also very stern. They love NGB and NG2. Some really enjoy RE as well and actually consider it the best, but they are a vocal minority.

Sounds like the opposite of a great place, at least to me lol. Do they at least treat people who put certain NG games above others with respect, or is it like the Zelda fanbase where you get abused or made a joke of for liking Spirit Tracks?

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18 Re: Ninja gaiden 2 general discussion. on Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 am

Sounds like the opposite of a great place
In reality it was a very friendly place in which high level players and noobs could hang together and exchange opinion. Most of the regulars there seemed to prefere the Itagaki NG games (which are great games), but they've always respected other people opinions and they have always been very friendly to regulars and newcomers as well. You can find discussions about other games too, like DMC, Platinum and GoW as well, also shooters and action rpg's. A safe heaven for people into action games, not only NG. The real issue is that since NG as always been the main focus, after the NG3 fiasco people didn't find any motivation to post there with their old NG companions, so the place started to be more and more quiet. Right now it's at risk, the founder doesn't find any motivation to keep it up and running.

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